Obama loses jobs in America and sends them to China. Obama has made a mess of Health Care. Will prevent Armed Forces from voting who are overseas. Increased taxes and lied about it. Giving illegals right to vote to steal elections. Invents rights to buy votes.

@ NF

Lies about the President are all you have. Post a credible link to even one of those preposterous claims.

Then tell us why you think Mittens is still hiding his tax returns.

You as a democrat have a hard time dealing with facts. How can you defend a failed Presidency. All you do is ignore facts. Deal with it.

Hi David,

Here are a couple of links...

GM (the company bailed out by the president) is exporting jobs and technology to China: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo

GM to invest in $500M Engine plant in Mexico:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/20/mexico-gm-idUSN2011837420110120

I agree David and also look forward to seeing him on Saturday.

comrade dave loser sorry no link no cred obama hasn't done a thing but add 5 trillion to our national debt hope and change has turned to lies and more lies . the impostor now has to stump to gymnasium crowds because thats the only venue he can fill.
you got his back..... what a joke ...how much of your WC do you send the obama destroys America campaign each month
obama .......in over his head and bankrupting America

Typical Communist

Nobummer spent $4M to hide his past as Barry Seotoro Indonesian Citizen.

David, can you give us a link to the web site showing the document that legally changed Barry Soetoro into B. Obama? Thanks, and will wait eagerly for it.

News story today where a group of former agents have told Obama to stop claiming credit for getting OBL. They claim that it was the military and only military efforts that got him. They've put up a web site to urge Obama to cease and desist. They also plan on running a national ad in September.

@ Ken

Nice try. GM isn't Obama.

So, why is Mitt hiding his tax returns?

@ Dana

"Typical communist"

Typical low-information-voter. When you can't debate the issues - call em' a communist.

Why is Mitt hiding his tax returns?

@ Dennis

I don't know what you're talking about. Whatever it is, find it yourself.

@ NF

"You as a democrat have a hard time dealing with facts."

Uh, I asked YOU for facts to back up your claims...and you couldn't give any. Shocking.

@ DO

Don't TELL us there's a story. LINK TO IT so we can read it!

The truth is, you know it's all lies, or you would supply a link.

comrade dave loser, we have supplied links to you for 4 years now,but you know what they say ...love is blind...What good is a link you run off to some obama hates America web site and post a link to www.obamatalkingpoints.com to refute anything anyone says about your false god

ONE AN DONE !! WHAT AMERICA NEEDS IS A WHOLE LOT OF R & R IN 2012 !!

David Victory, I think you are suffering from "link deficiency syndrome" and should seek professional help ASAP. In the meantime, if you continue your obsession with Mitt Romney's tax returns you will miss the campaign. If you truly think Romney failed to pay the IRS - don'tcha think Obama et al would have the IRS all over him. Just recall what happened to "Joe the Plumber". Obama has the resources to put Romney in prison if he is a tax evader. However, I still wonder why Obama sealed all his personal documents the day he took his oath of office as President of the US. Any links you might want to offer for that one?

take him home with you dave

@ Nützlicher idiot JIM

Actually your posts contain links about as often as they contain punctuation and correctly spelled words.

And when you DO provide links, it's usually to a YouTube video or to a story you haven't bothered to actually read.

@ Judith

"I think you are suffering from "link deficiency syndrome" and should seek professional help ASAP."

I'm crazy like that - wanting to read the information behind nutty allegations. This may surprise you, Judy, but there are some posts here that contain erroneous information. Links to reputable sources help separate the worthwhile posts from the bull$hyt.

As for Mitt's tax returns, why wouldn't an honest man WANT to share them? It would prove Mitt is honest - and make Harry Reid look very foolish. It would quiet the calls for transparency from his own party, and he could use the facts to promote his trustworthiness and highlight his business acumen.

Yet Mitt still keeps them secret. Puzzling. What's your guess, Judy?

Hey David loser,

It is none of your business what Mitt Romney paid for taxes, you are a loser, it's ok for GE not to pay taxes, it's ok for Obama not to release any of his transcript from college, but a private issue like a tax return has to be public. The tax return is a red herring that you on the left re using not to talk about the real issue, THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!

Obama and democrats sticking it to the Windham Taxpayers.

You're just cranky because you know Willard Mitt Romney is going to get spanked in November.

Why is Mitt hiding his tax returns?

How did Harry Reid become a millionaire. Where are his tax returns. Probably ole Harry sold his votes.

Joe don't see you complian when the Republicans use these venues for their "Lies"!!!! But as usual with the Republican way "it is ok for me but you can't do that" attitude!! So take your rude comments and go see your Mittens where every you want to because I don't have a problem with your supporting your candidate just like I have a right to support mine!!!! KMA!!!

How often does Obama and his wife have to show up. Guests are guests. Pain in the necks are pain in the necks. Wish somebody would do a study to find out the costs we have to pay for all of these uninvited visits.

To Kathy Burke Fulmer: No politician when running for elected office should stick us taxpayers with the tab. The costs should covered by the politician, his/her party, or supporters, NOT the taxpayers.

BTW, how did you ever come to your unsubstantiated conclusion that I will not complain when Republicans do the same? Is it the same way you've come to the conclusion that "Republicans use these venues for their lies", as if to imply that your favored party does not.

Lies? You'll hear a boat load of them if you attend the "Barack Obama Dog and Pony Show!" Step right up! Buy the elixir of "the rich paying just a bit more" and all your problems will be solved! Barack sure knows how to take advantage of the ol' saying, "There is a sucker born every minute."

New Flash:

Uninvited? Okay, blame it on me. I'll invite him:

"Hey President Obama, please come to New Hampshire! We still have some dolts who need straightening out!"

So Joe, if you would complain when Republicans do the same, all you have to do is provide us with a link that shows you doing so.

Just like all Romney has to do is show us his tax returns to prove that Senator Reid is a liar.

He's campaigning in all swing states. That helps the Democratic Party because kicking Bass and Guinta to the curb is just as important as retaining the Presidency.

No photo ID needed to see Obama - you just have to prove you are extremely gullible and lack common sense - no problem whatsoever for liberals.

No photo ID was needed.

How much does the state Republican Party have in its coffers?

How much do the various Tea Party factions have?

And (as has been asked numerous times but, strangely enough, never answered!), do they pay when Rolls and Royce come to town?

$40,625.36. Most republican $$$$ comes from in state. Democrats will get 2-3 million more from out of state. This has been a fact for years. Most of the democrat dough comes from the DNC, or Unions, but mostly not from NH.

NF - Bass gets his money from oil companies - I don't think there is a single on in NH...

Bass gets his money from oil companies? Not according to Open Secrets:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00000423

The "Faux News" version, apparently. Have you types ever tried to confirm your conspiracy theories?

Can we all please get behind Ron Paul and not the incredibly poor choice to run against OB--Romney? I really wonder if the Republicans are purposely running Romney in order to lose and give OB another 4 years. For you evangelicals, how can you vote for Romney, a man who expects to be god in the afterlife and run his own planet--as a Christian choice? satan wanted the same thing, and he got thrown out of heaven. If Romney would just burn some babies like the followers of Baal, would that help you all see what he stands for? (Google Baal and baby burning for more info.) In other words, if you took away his suit and perfect smile and actually understood what he believes, could you still make the argument that God wants you to vote for him? I would love to hear a reasoned response in which it is argued that God wants us to put anti-Christ spirits in leadership positions.

"I really wonder if the Republicans are purposely running Romney in order to lose and give OB another 4 years."-Dennis Taylor

Followed by a lot of religious rubbish.

Paulbots :-)

Most of what you say doesn't make sense and have no facts to back your ridiculous claims, but here's some info for you on the Keystone Pipeline to educate you a little: Real numbers on the pipeline: it will will create 6k jobs for 2 years, then nothing. The oil is brought to the coast will it be exported. The oil is already here...we send it to the Mid West currently. With the pipeline, the oil will bypass the Mid West and be shipped overseas. This means higher gas prices for those areas in the US. It will have ZERO impact on our dependence on foreign oil, and will actually result in higher gas prices for portions of the US. This is not from environmental mumbo jumbo, but from a real bi partisan study. Also interesting...the numbers originally provided by Republicans were from the oil company itself, and they stated 100k jobs created (seems they've toned that down a bit). So...that makes me wonder if the 20 billion "pumped into the economy" is also an extreme exaggeration. The only people this pipeline is good for is Canadian oil companies and Republicans receiving campaign donations from those companies.

Wow, wanting to educate and keep poeple healthy...that's a bad thing? So what PUBLIC tax payed school did you go to? Did you drive on my tax paid roads? Did you call my tax paid police or fire department? You prefer to pay privatized companies that will charge you more and more for everything to the point that you won't be able to afford any of these services? Fools voting against their own interests. Good luck if Romney wins, do you think he'll be looking out for you, or the Koch brothers (oil gangsters) and ALEC (corporate greed) who intested billions into his campaign. Think....educate!

Hello... anyone home?

You'd have to ask Sarah Palin about that one since she started that rumor, oh and ask her about how she can see Russia from her front porch!

Durham, NH just said it cost them $20,000 for his recent visit there. So much for your theory.

I'm sorry if I was not clear ... yes, it costs a certain amount, but neither the Republican nor the Democratic party usually pays the cost to towns for these things. They never have. They probably should, but the fault lies with both parties.

Fact-check is liberal organization.

Factcheck.org has stories from all sides. They take issue with both Romney and Obama ... but if you know a better source of non-biased information let me adn everyone know. I just want people to learn and argue based on the facts, not spin or half-truths.

@ DO

"Fact-check is liberal organization."

Ha ha ha! Is that what Rush says?

Facts have a liberal bias.

Can you honestly answer me, please... why do people hate the First Lady so much? I think she's stunning, smart, a good woman and mother, and she's not spending any more that any other first lady has... They all were expected to travel, and you can hardly expect any of them to travel commercial. And the "staff" question was debunked long ago.

Remember when Laura Bush spent $792,000 on china for the White House just months before her husband left office - dishes... when the country was on a slide shedding jobs like never before? No?

Really, Lillian - take a deep breath and turn off that TV next time someone starts ranting about her - she doesn't deserve anyone's wrath or abuse - and neither do you.

comrade jan. here is the reason !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X-Xfti7qtT0

Oh please "have obtained documents", how do you know they are ligit, and please compare these costs to Laura Bush and other GOP trip costs before you post the one, so we can really compare. Nice try!

JIM: How much would you like to bet?

And no, I won't take your check!

Comrade atlink, bet you ? how would you pay up , sorry I wont take your EBT card

$5.

But that would require that you break your status as "anonymous coward".

Put up or shut up.

And in case anyone's wondering, no, I don't have an EBT card, that's just JIM mouthing off as per usual.

so comrade , atlint is your real name ? talk about anonymous coward at least Jim is my real name , your nothing but a tool of the left you ain't got the brains allah gave a camel.

JIM:

No, "Atlint" isn't my real name, that's just the ridiculous way you type it.

But "Atlant" *IS* my real name and anyone who wanted to prove it could do it in about 10 seconds.

> talk about anonymous coward at least Jim is my real name ,
> your nothing but a tool of the left you ain't got the brains allah
> gave a camel.

There's an anonymous coward in this particular two-sided discussion and I think everyone who reads Patch can figure out who it is. So I guess that means you won't take my bet?

comrade atlint ,gambling with a minor is against the law , sorry, come back in a couple years when your old enough to vote.

"JIM
1 hour ago
comrade atlint ,gambling with a minor is against the law , sorry, come back in a couple years when your old enough to vote."

With all the terrible spelling, atrocious grammar and pedantic diatribes I have always suspected that JIM was an adolescent, now he has confirmed it.

comrade opeedopey you will have to fill out an application and get in line for the Nazi spelling bee / post moderator position. I think comrade atlint and comrade dave loser are ahead of you. Good luck !!

JIM:

It's a shame you didn't take my bet; it looks like there's an overflow crowd out here on the lawn in Windham. They'll be letting us in soon, so we'll know then just how big that gym is, but I'll be surprised if I get a seat.

I'll post more as things develop, but it looks like a great day here for President Obama!

Was packed, some didn't get in...nice try! ha ha! People parked and walked a mile + because all parking was full.

4000 in Rochester! Bam!

Did you ever notice how the partisans of the Right can't ever say anything that isn't personally attacking someone on the Left?

And in this election cycle, it's also striking how often the partisans on the Right spend all of their time attacking President Obama and none of their time talking-up Romney.

Wait... why can't people from other states come to see the President?

Is this like some kind of law we don't know about? Geeze!

Obama pushes college and yet the number of jobs available for college graduates is usually about 40% less than the number of graduates in any recent year.

Uh, yeah. Everyone knows going to college is the worst thing to do if you want employment. What are you talking about?

comrade dave went to college and he got a job posting on patch defending obama . we can see 16 years of school paid off for him

@ Nützlicher idiot JIM

The college thing makes you crazy.

You don't need to be jealous. You could go to college too. Think how much those "liberal" professors could learn from you. Don't deny them.

comrade dave, it doesent ''drive me crazy'' . Listening to your rants and stupidity coupled with the fact that you DID go to college makes me laugh. It makes me wonder how someone could go to school for 16 years and still be DAAS.

I hope Dennis will one day provide a link to back up all his lies.

comrade dave you went to school for 16 years do the math

23 million out of work Americans, why ...no jobs

now add 1.7 million illegals given amnesty by Bolshevik obama to the job market

now tell us how this helps 23 million American families put out of work by obamas failed policies
even the 500 bucks he charges them for amnesty will be eaten up by his goberment agencies that will be overwhelmed trying to process all the applications ...hell,in the end its going to end up costing the real American tax payers money ...like all his other bright ideas
and as we speak thousands of illegals are pourng over our borders with 500 bucks in their pockets and will all be claiming they have lived here for the last 5 years .we all know how efficient obama is, if the 1.7 million number was figured out the way the commiecrats do math it will turn into 10 million in no time

David:

Which attack on Obama would you like me to more fully explain? If you are in the current job market, you know what an advantage it is to speak Spanish. In other words, if you don't, you either don't get hired, have to look for other jobs, or pay time and money to learn the language. This time and money that could have been spent elsewheres now must be poured into a country that is foolishly trying to accomodate the Spanish-speaking invaders from Mexico and further south. The recent ruling of Obama to give illegal kids job opportunities and deferred deportation is but one example of Obama's willingness to burden NH grads with the costs of illegals. Check out FIARUS.ORG for more information on the assault on your economic and cultural future that is being abetted by Obama. The issue of debt destroying safety nets should be obvious as the government is constitutionally obliged to pay the debt but is not so obliged to provide medical care, unemployment benefits, Food Stamps, and the like for the poor.

Your parents or great grandparents were probably illegal as well, but it wasn't such a big deal back then because they wanted to populate. Same as now, not really a big deal since you will not volunteer to pick oranges or vegetables for 11 hrs a day and live in a trailer deep in a field somewhere. That's why we need them.

Dennis, 99% of my friends and family DON'T speak Spanish and 100% work! Where do you live?

It's funny how the "reimbursement" issue is only an issue when we're discussing President Obama but *NEVER* an issue when we're discussing Governor Romney.

Dear C Barry, here's how designers work: they send dresses to the first lady FOR FREE and hope/pray that she wears it out! Nice try though!

Obama is not a Muslim...

The right wing never ceases to amaze me. I have said many times they are brainless drones motivated by fear and loathing.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
Read this in its entirety.

You know, if you really want to have a civil discourse ad persuade people to your point of view, then perhaps tone down the insults ...

@ T-i-P

I hear your point, but FTP really HAS tried many times. Believe me.

Dennis, any time someone on your side uses the word "Allah" in the way that you did, that person is proving that they have no understanding of Islam. "Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God" and the God that Muslims worship is the same God Christians worship is the same God Jews worship.

> He calls the rag known as the koran as the "holy koran".

As does any person who wants to create light as compared to heat. Bigots are the ones who refer to others' holy books as "rags".

And finally, President Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim, and based on his actions versus yours, probably a lot closer to Christ's beliefs and teachings than you are.

obama changes his name his religion and his stance on gay marriage more than most obots change their underwear

comrade atlink, tell us poor non believers how should we be using the word allah , should we be using it the way the MUSLIM fort hood terrorist used it right befor he killed 34 of his ''fellow Americans'' ? or should we be using it the way the MUSLIM terrorists used it right befor they crashed the planes into the world trade centers ,or perhaps we should use it the same way a MUSLIM father does right befor he kills his daughter or wife in a ''honor killing '' or should we shout it the way a suicide bomber does right befor he kills himself and any standing near him .......you defenders of this murderous cult make me sick and I pray to allah the next time the only ones that ''get it'' are you nitwits that go out of your way to preach to us non believers

T-i-p,

The insinuation by Dennis is that there is something about being a Muslim that is "bad." That's aside from the fact that it's not true. Dennis is on this board quite often, always full of lies- and willfully stating them- to dredge up fear and loathing amongst readers.

I stand by my comments. I will completely retract them the day I see one of these drones actually research their assertions, defend them with references, and retract a single lie. Just one. It's never happened.

JIM:

> you defenders of this murderous cult make me sick and I pray to allah
> the next time the only ones that ''get it'' are you nitwits that go out of
> your way to preach to us non believers

As always, your grasp of the facts astounds me. Along with your grasp of spelling, grammar, and punctuation.

I was in no way defending Islam (or Christianity or Judaism for that matter). I was merely explaining what the Arabic word "Allah" means, why certain people sound like ignorant bigoted morons when they use it, and how they could avoid appearing to be ignorant bigoted morons in the future if they so desired.

comrade atlint do the commiecrats mail you obots the same talking points ? I'm not hear to win a spelling bee or get a trophy for grammar or punctuation so keep your little spelling bee post moderator Nazi crap to yourself, I'm surprise you haven't called me a racist yet ....we know with each ofa kit you get a hand book of obama talking points and a deck of 52 race cards complete with 2 jokers ...obama and biden

You are funny. If Obama believes Allah exist, than so do you and the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy...and....get my drift?

What CRAP!

Shocking there are no links provided.

You keep asking for links? What about Princess Zelda? Can I get a Princess Zelda?

I love when people who have no religious study background or education try to speak about religion. Nice try Dennis. You and your holy self should go back to school, yes, a public school; even I don't mind paying for you to get an education.

Him saying he is a Muslim or someone credible saying he practices the muslim religion would be a good start ... By the way, I think you are referring to Obama celebrating Ramadan, which George Bush also did.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/the-white-house-celebrates-ramadan/

Goes back to my original point that people need to get the facts.

@ TiP

My friend, you have your work cut out for you. You have my utmost respect.

Gee David, google up "Obama bows to Saudi King," and "Obama and holy koran" for a start. Here are two links for these:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WlqW6UCeaY for Obama bowing to Saudi King

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkoV52eSXZI for Obama and "holy" koran

If I did not include a link, it does not mean that I am fabricating arguments without evidence. I would like to hear your reasoned explanation as to how a Christian can call a koran holy.

HA!!! LMAO!!! Google George W Bush Saudi Kiss. They kissed and walked around holding hands. Get off it and find something of substance to talk about.

Are you just copying and pasting the same comment over and over. Playgrounds are elsewhere.

Sorry that is still not proof he is Muslim and even is he was, so what ... all I ask is that you list every thing you think you "know" about either candidate and the reasons you will or won't vote for them and then research it to make sure your assumption are correct.

Anger and frustration are usually a result of miscommunication and misinformation. Don't listen to FOX or MSNBC, if the election of the next president is as important to you as it seems (and to anyone for that matter), just make sure you have the facts. You owe that to yourself.

Spreading rumors and innuendos as though they were fact doesn't nothing to help the politically divisive environment we live in.

Remember, a good argument is made with fact, not innuendo.

@ T-i-P

"Remember, a good argument is made with fact, not innuendo."

You won't see many good arguments made on these comment boards. Every now and then there is a pleasant surprise, but for the most part, all you will see is hysteria and willful lies. Sad.

Do you find that stupidity, ignorance, and bigotry sell better when repeated four times?

Ever read Leviticus Dennis? I honestly don't have time for this but here are a few examples I found in a quick search:

Any person who curseth his father or mother must be killed
~Leviticus 20:9

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be cut off from their people
~Leviticus 20:18

People who have flat noses, or are blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God
~Leviticus 21:17-18

The eating of fat is prohibited forever
~Leviticus 3:17

There are some pretty interesting "prescriptions" in the Christian Bible as well.

Stoning folks, laying down with your deceased brother's wife, not mixing cotton and polyester, etc.

All of the Abrahamic religious documents were written in other times and other places and the corpus of human knowledge has increased a bit since that time.

comrade allah atlink when was the last time a Christian stoned anyone ? the last time a muslim stoned someone was as recent as your last post . how can you compare what 12 century Christians DID to what 21 century muslims are STILL doing....D A

JIM:

> ...when was the last time a Christian stoned anyone ?

Stoned? Not sure.

Tied to a fence, pistol-whipped, and tortured to death?

At least as recently as October 6, 1998.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard

Shot and killed?

At least as recently as May 31, 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller

Christianity has a fine, long, still-ongoing record of supporting violence against non-believers/backsliders.

comrade atlint there are THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of innocent deaths to others by muslims and you come back with two instances directly related to Christians ..and you tell me I'm blowing smoke ..OK, maybe I should stop calling you comrade perhaps Imam atlint fits you better

Obviously you think Obama is part of a vast cover up. Probably the same with Romney and that is your right. I only ask that you prove to yourself from reputable source that these things are true. Both sides (the Rep and Dem parties) are tell lies and half truths. But the facts are out there if you want to look.

As for the name change, again who cares?

Just curious, is there anyone you support for president?

Looked into the changing of the name, as I had not heard this before, and I can't see that he changed his name ever. The only thing I can find is that a elementary school enrollment form has the name Barry Soetoro on it. His birth certificate has the name Barak Obama. From what I have read, people called him Barry as a nickname (Barry Obama). The fact that his last name is listed as Soetoro on the school form was probably a matter of convention since his mother had remarried. However, there is no credible evidence that his name was legally changed from Obama to Soetoro.

@ T-i-P

"I only ask that you prove to yourself from reputable source that these things are true."

You're kidding, right?

If I had a penny for every time I've asked one of these poor, confused nitwits to back up a claim with a credible reference, I'd be as rich as Willard Romney. Give it your best shot.

T-i-P:
The thing I find ridiculous is that all this "Why did he change his name???" stuff is coming from folks who are supporting a candidate whose actual name is "Willard Mitt Romney" (well, alleged; I've never seen his birth certificate) but who, at least for all of his adult life, has used the stage name "Mitt Romney".

Why?

Isn't he proud of the name Willard?

Or did he have a scary experience as a youth involving Ernest Borgnine?

You mean the insurance companies that cut people off, and leave them to die? If you ask our President about that, he'd tell you that Congress put a stop to that.

If President Obama were asked, then he would debunk that foolish rumor just as it should be debunked. (You won't believe him, of course.)

In fact, as anyone who deals with facts and the real world already knows, the real "death panels" are those groups at the health insurance companies and HMOs who have to pre-approve all of our procedures. They've been dealing out death to their clients for years.

If anything, the Affordable Care Act *REDUCES* the power of those private death panel.

Jan: The President also supports cutting people off from health care.
Examples;
The President did question why Medicare would give his grandmother a hip replacement after she was diagnosed with Cancer.
Obama said “you just get into some very difficult moral issues” when considering whether “to give my grandmother, or everybody else’s aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they’re terminally ill.

“That’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues,” he said in the April 14, 2009 interview. “The chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health- care bill out here.”
He also said doctors take out tonsils because they make more money doing that then prescribing a pill.
He then appointed Dr Berwick, in a recess appointment, as head of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services. Dr berwick has written papers supporting rationing of health care.
And the FDA has recommended delisting a cancer fighting drug, Avastan, because of cost concerns. If they do, it will no longer be covered by Medicare.

No Salemvoter... Talking about making end of life choices is not taking away healthcare.

The people who decide to drop people from insurance are killers.

Jan
Your confused. You said "making end of life choices" Implying that a patient and doctor will sit together and decide on the course of treatment.
The President, in his own words and actions, supports a policy where you will not have that choice. He supports a policy to ration healtcare or have government bureaucrats dictate the allowanle procedure.
"You can tajke the blue pill or the red pill, but the blue pill is cheaper" This means only the blue pill will be allowed.
"A doctor makes more money taking out tonsils then prescribing the blue pill". This means only the blue pill will be allowed.
"Why would Medicare perform a hip transplant, on my grandmother, after she was diagnosed with terminal cancer" . A bureaucrat will decide that the hip replacement is not necessary.
Choice, you say, there will be no "choices"

The President wanted a very different health insurance/health reform to take place.

and the EOL discussion - to be between a doctor and his patient and billable as suggested for the law by a Republican - was what set the Republican nuthouse on fire claiming death panels.

The no-right-answer of what treatment to offer is another whole discussion. Do you think spending millions of dollars for a month-longer-life is valid? I would neither put that burden on my family or on my country.

I know you want this to be an issue, but it isn't. The ACA is a much more moral way to decide who gets what, and still... if you want the expense, then you can pay for it yourself - just like any good capitalist would.

if you ask comrade obama about it he is only going to tell you what his teleprompter tells him to say

Jan.

You wrote "The no-right-answer of what treatment to offer is another whole discussion. Do you think spending millions of dollars for a month-longer-life is valid? I would neither put that burden on my family or on my country"

That statement alone says you believe in rationing. The problem I have is Democrats keep saying that with ACA everyone will have coverage and get the treatment they deserve. Yet, you just said, do I think spending millions of dollars for a month-longer-life is valid"? Your supporting the EXACT same thing that insurance companies currently do and that you think the ACA will prevent.
End of life choice will become a conversation between a doctor and patient that goes something like this; Doctor says you may have 1 month to a year to live, maybe longer. Doctor says you also need a hip or knee replacement to make your final months more productive. Doctor says, I need to ask Washington if they will support the knee or hip replacement. You wait weeks or months for an answer and Doctor says, Washington said your other condition will end your life in the next month to a year, maybe longer, so Washington will not authorize the operation. Doctor know says, what hospice should we put you in sop you can spend the rest of life in bed.
What a shame. Perhaps you will realize that the ACA takes away choices and limits care.

SV
You really haven't been paying attention if you think that corporations that cut off people no matter what their prognosis, no matter the little amount it costs because it might cut into their profits... Compares in any way with end of life decisions a person makes with their doctor. And yes... At some point people have to make decisions... Don't you make decisions every day?

Jan,
Who is pushing granny off the cliff?
The Ryan PROPOSAL that is not voted into law or the ACA that is now law? The ACA, where Kathleen Sebellius testified before Congress, that 500 billion will be diverted from Medicare to pay for ACA. She testified, before Congress.
Avastan is about to be delisted because of cost. It has shown great progress in treating Cancer patients. It is expensive. This is the type of drug that the collective resources of government should be funding, instead of delisting. With the ACA, or single payer health plan, if that ever comes to be; If the governmnet denies treatment for a medical procedure who do you turn to?
You keep saying end of life decisions. Its Democrat code to warehouse terminally ill patients, its not about providing treatment.

Hello, this is my opinion so if you wish to call me names, it's ok, but my mother was a type 2 diabetic on insulin. After years of being diabetic she began to have problems. She lost her balance and shattered her hip, A couple years later she had colon problems due to scar tissue from radiation treatments for cancer that she had yeara earlier, The doctor had to take a large amount of her colon out which left her to deal with colostomy bags. Then at a regular check up, the doctor saw a spot on her lungs and he wanted to do lung surgery. My mother said no, she was 78 yrs old and didn't want to go through any more surgeries. The doctor honored her wishes after they talked it over. The doctor had already sent in paper work to medicare and her insurance company and both approved the surgery but they honored what she wanted and didn't have the surgery, That is what I hope the new health care the President has formed will still have. I have read everything I could on the President's plan. Here is the question I have and can't as of yet find an answer. On Mr. Romney;s plan, he says we can stay on the present system if we want. We choose an insurance company to handle our medicare and they will be investing the voucher. He is going to deregulate the banking system and I think the insurance companies also? If we choose a company and they make the wrong choices and go under like the banks did, do we lose our medical? What are our safeguards to keep that from happening.

Ruth,

I hope no one calls you names, you have been through enough already.

As I understand it, people on Medicare now under the Romney plan, won't have their plans changed, they are grandfathered into the old plan. To answer your second part of your question, I don't know. It's a very, very valid point.

Here are pros and cons of the Ryan Plan on AARP
http://www.aarp.org/health/medicare-insurance/info-06-2012/medicare-proposals-pros-and-cons.html

With the ACA or Obamacare, your costs will come down... with the closing of the doughnut holes, not being charged for preventative care, etc.

Here is their info on the ACA

http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/advocacy/info-06-2012/supreme-court-upholds-affordable-care-act.html

I wish you comfort for you and your mother.

Ruth, I'm so sorry about what happened. Romney has not answered those details about his plan. The one thing I worry about is that seniors do not want to spend their time "shopping around" with the vouchers to private companies; not to mention fight with them when they don't pay what they are supposed to, as they very often do. Just recently, I had to fight to get my children's immunizations covered (they said "oops" but I found out other co-workers had the same thing happen and the insurance companies hoped we wouldn't notice and pay. I also worry that the vouchers will stay the same as the cost of living rises every year, and that seniors will now have to pay 68% out of pocket at private company prices.

only an obot would call a bunch of mindless rats following the pied piper an inspiring event

Okay JIM, let's take your hypothesis as given, if only for a moment:

Which would I prefer? A panel of Insurance Company bureaucrats answerable to no one but the Board of Directors of the Insurance Company? Or a panel of government bureaucrats who serve at the pleasure of the elected officials that *I VOTE FOR*?

Wait, let me think about that...

Nope, I just can't see the government bureaucrats as being more evil than the Insurance Company bureaucrats, no matter how much smoke you attempt to blow.

imam atlint I dont expect you needy goberment types to ever go against the hand that feeds you,clothes you, houses you, and generally takes care of you from cradle to grave. ninny's like you will keep defending your goberment health care ...till it kills you

comrade joe below average, are you willing to find out the hard way , at the expense of bankrupting the country and turning our health care system into a socialist free for all ? obama care will be run the way all other govt programs are run ...into the ground , you dont have to be Einstein to figure it out son .You just need to pull obama off your head long enough to see the truth.

IF OBAMA WINS ....AMERICA LOSES !!!!

Jealous! Tell us all about it.

Wow, you must be really aggravated. I recall an earlier posting about voter ID, where yopu said people would have to wait in line if they didn't have an ID.

for the sheeple, it was a scene that has been repeated countless time , mindless obots huddled around trash cans lit with small fires as his followers each take turns reading paragraphs from mein kampf ,followed by the singing of songs of glory to mein Fuehrer...........and the little Woo Hooo at the end , thats the sound the train makes as it takes some more followers off the the reeducation camps

They said 8:00 - I was there at 8:15 - and a line formed and went halfway down the hall - an awesome group of people. Pretty tickets too..

This isn't voting SV - this was getting tickets... can you tell the difference?

and Jim - why are all your posts so pathetically negative - and why post screeds that are so far from reality that we are considering having someone evaluate you for a mental illness... yours are the only posts that make us imagine your eyes are bulging and there is drool on your keyboard...

Come on - this is a community comment board where we talk with each other. Calm down and try communicating.

comrade jan, how do you communicate with people who idolises obama as if he was a god ? if they told you half wits to go to the town beach after to see obama walk on water , you would all show up.

I don't think there is a single poster here who wouldn't have had something different happen in Washington - and Obama is not a god to any of us. However..
He IS a really nice guy. He IS a saner choice for November. He IS the President.
And he's accomplished quite a bit despite the way hs opposition has behaved.

Please stop with the childish name-calling.

Just talk with us.

"Just talk with us."

Right. If one can get an invitation to the Obama events or has $30,000 for dinner....

Look up the FDA delisting Avastan for Medicare patients because of the cost.
Look up President Obama appointing Dr Berwick, a professed believer in rationing healthcare, as head of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid services.
Rationed healtcare = Deathpanels because treating the elderly will be considered cost prohibited.

for the sheeple your post is BS plain and simple who are these suffering imps you speak of ? tell them to go to the ER and get some help they wont turn them down they cant . these sufferers must be from Canada. You make me laugh with your simpleton crap, your doing what you can BAWAHAHAHAHAHA what are you doing telling them to vote for obama and they will be cured ...what a dolt

No SV- end of life decisions are not death panels...

Actually, I'm giving my personal assets, Jim, when and where appropriate. I'm not a rich person by any stretch of the imagination, but the only thing I cannot stand to be without is the company of my friends and family. Money can be replaced, loved ones cannot. I actually don't instruct any of them how to vote. That's their business. Although I will say that the vast majority of folks I hang around tend to be goodhearted people.

FTP: Apparently you are not man enough to apologize or to even answer my challenge: Here is a proof of what I have said about the three choices of islam for unbeliever. I said that they are death, conversion, or the payment of a annihilating tax. I await your groveling apology, and I also want you to stop screaming for links as though your opponents can not argue based on facts.

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad handed down - hence abrogating what came before, which includes the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -"Let there be no compulsion in religion...".

Still waiting FTP, after all your tough talk about right wingers never having proof, I would have thought you would be quick to respond. I have quoted the rag called the koran about the three choices of islam. Where is your rebuttal? Where is your apology?

@ Salemvoter

"Look up the FDA delisting Avastan for Medicare patients because of the cost.
Look up President Obama appointing Dr Berwick, a professed believer in rationing healthcare, as head of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid services."

No. YOU look it up, and give us a link. YOU are making the claim.

David;
Are you afraid of what you might find if you did some research on your own?

The Old Testament God didn't have a son either. But somehow, when it became convenient in the New Testament, he did! Which book got it right?

(Occam says: Neither; they're all just fairy tales told to keep the peasants in line.)

Dear Atlant:

Thanks for again creating a teachable moment. Here is a verse from the Old Testament about God having a son--in the Bible.

“When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his Father, and he shall be My son.” (II Samuel 7:12-14)

I made the case in an above comment to For The People. If he has any integrity left, he will apologize.

Your grandmother needs to turn off Limbaugh and Fox News. Stop intentionally spreading lies, and grow up.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/

comrade bruno ,If a welfare check, food stamps, section 8 housing , 99 weeks of unemployment and a few catchy slogans lifted you out of poverty you must have been suffering from Icantgetoffdacouch, its common among obots and thank God its not a transmittable disease because if the tax payers ever became infected , you obots would all be in trouble.

Nützlicher idiot JIM, you have no idea about Bruno's life experience, so what business do you have attacking him?

comrade dave loser , I dont have to know bruno's life experiences. I know Americas experiences for the last 4 years. Bolshevik obama has driven more Americans into poverty, not helped them out of poverty. Bruno sounds like any other democrat leech, sucking up to his goberment masters looking for some more obamabucks

Bruno: Use care. While most of the GOP supporters posting here aren't very smart - the ARE viscous. Anything you say can and will be used against you.

Seniors will be cheated so Senors can have babies at US hospitals, cut in front of whites for college with Affirmative Action, and vote Democratic to keep the booty flowing in--all the whle working off the books and having a higher standard of living than many of the recent NH graduates. Thanks Senor Obama!!!

@ SQ

Stop intentionally spreading lies, and grow up.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/

@ Dennis.

Racist much?

Thanks for showing us what a Republican voter is all about.

comrade dave always ready with his handy deck of race cards. Dennis is telling the truth, so the only way to combat that is to call him a racist..

Your argument is getting tougher to make now that your candidate plans to cuts more out of seniors entitlements than President Barack Obama does.

Please take a moment to look at the truth from a non-liberal newpaper

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/adding-to-the-deficit-bush-vs-obama/2012/01/31/gIQAQ0kFgQ_graphic.html

or just read this..

"George W. Bush’s major policies increased the debt by more than $5 trillion during his presidency. Obama has increased the debt by less than $1 trillion"

got that? who ownes this debt? who gave his friends such a gift - the beggarding of the good ol' USofA?

"When President Barack Obama was inaugurated on January 20, 2009, the National Debt was: $10,626,877,048,913.08"

$5.3T added by Obama...

http://nationaldebtbusters.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-was-national-debt-in-january-2009.html

That chart in the Washington Post is comical. It was written by Ezra Klein, one of the top guests on MSNBC and he also fills in regularly for Rachel Maddow and Ed Shultz. And you imply its a non-liberal article because it was in the Washington Post. If anything, it shows that papers like the Washington Post are willing to show opiniopns from both sides. Unlike outlets like the NYT or MSNBC.
But, back to the chart......How come it doesn't show the the same catagories when comparing Obama spending to Bush spending? For example, it says the cost of the war in Iraq and Afghanastan resulted in an increase deficit by the Bush administration but, on the Obama side, there is no cost shown for Obamas escalation in Afghanastan.
Fair and balanced? I don't think so.

Your upset that the President added 983 billion to a deficit while we fought though a recession? Would you have raised taxes during that time to pay down the debt?
What would Republicans said about that?

You keep posting this lie,even when corrected over and over again.

It's as if you're a child or some sort of webbot.

Gas prices peaked at $4.12 during *THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION*. Gas prices are below that now and, considering inflation, even more so.

But I'm sure that by tomorrow you'll be posting your scurrilous lie again. Lies are the only thing that seems to keep the Right Wing going these days.

If that stuff is true, why don't you back it up? No link, no cred.

Nice try. Funny, how eager men are to put themselves in a woman's shoes all of a sudden. And speak for us too? What about the cost of freedom - freedom of choice and freedom to earn the same wage for the same job? Testicles are good for breeding, but they are no substitute for brains.

Tim ,muchas gracias for your informative posts in English and Spanish.

@ Tim

¡(eso es) mentira!
¡madura de una vez!

No link, no cred.

And tell us; What the GOP done to get people back to work?

poor undereducated comrade dave when ever he is confronted by facts he blurts out his no link no creed crap or plays his race card , comrade dave this is your ''president'' watch this and tell me you still support this man. I dont expect you to watch it though, because its 22 min of FACTS that would turn most obama supporters away from him. I say most, that would be everyone but the entitlement crowd . so heres your ''link''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X-Xfti7qtT0

how could anyone vote for this scumbag obama after watching this video reelected ???
he should be tried for treason !!!

Would like to know your opinion on the leaks of the Bush administration, which turned out to be lies and half truths that led us into Iraq in the first place (5,000+ KIA, 30,00 wounded, 100,000 - 500,00 civilians dead and counting). Would like to know your opinion on the outing of Valerie Plame as a CIA agent to get back at her husband who tried to discredit the lies.
Not that any of the disgusting habits of Cheney and Bush justify leaking of sensitive information, but I'm pretty sure this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

comrade steve leaks that led to the Iraq war ? it wasn't leaks it was bad intel. Every dem voted to go into Iraq 2 except two I believe, bush actually let congress do its job ..unlike king obama who just starts any war he feels like

the Plame outer is in jail , and obama should be in the cell next to him

post a video where retired military intel officers Navy seals and other American heros were so disgusted with bush they did everything but call him and his administration a bunch of traitors , for destroying our credibility with our allies and compromising Americas national security and putting the lives of these heros and their families at risk ,for a pr stunt. obamas action are indefensible and if you can still support him after watching this video ...YOUR whats wrong with America today

What software are you using, Tim?

Why did Bush make us pay $4.19? He must hate America.

FTP: I have stated my low opinion of you and, no, I am not going to watch you grovel. I will leave you with a shred of dignity, but thank you for filming your abject shame.

Your white hood is showing.

Obama and his brood are worse than trash. At least you can remove trash on a daily basis.

Dennis, is this the kind of comment your religion teaches?

.??

What does requesting someone stand up for the words they use by providing proof followed by a discussion on it ... Mean the person requesting it has no spine?

FTP is asking anyone posting to actually be truthful and to support all their posts like an adult.

Your posts about a different religion? Supporting your religion? Accusing one book of being violent and not the others? People don't follow religion because of a book, and many believe the books are story books for children, and are personally more interested in the community an organized religion offers than believing every word from an ancient text.

Who cares? This isn't what makes a person good or bad, right or wrong.

Stop intentionally spreading lies, and grow up.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/

Why does Romney support them?

Pants on fire

Tell us about Romney's DEATH PANELS

Romney's DEATH PANELS?

Like "sheep being led to the slaughter."

Last night news reports at 11 said that tickets were still available. The Obama campaign must have reached out to Deval Patrick and asked him to send people.

It will be interesting to see the contrast between the Presidents appearance today and the Romney/Ryan appearance in Manchester on Monday. I wonder how many 'opem minded' progressives will try to disrupt and shout down the Romney/Ryan appearance.

That' right -- how did you know? Every car in the parking lot was a Prius with Mass plates! Even President Obama arrived in motorcade of Prii, each tagged with a Mass plate!

Atlant, please share with us how the president "debunked all the lies you hear daily on Patch?"

Well, for one thing, he explained in pretty good detail, his cuts to Medicare.

And, surprise surprise, they match what the legitimate news media has reported about his cuts. He also contrasted his approach with Ryan's approach and, once again, what he claimed matched what the legitimate news media has reported about Congressman Ryan's plan to "voucherize" Medicare at a typical cost of $6400/year per senior citizen.

Thank you for the feedback. Just wondering if the president shared these truths with those who attended the event?

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Joe, how's that trickle down affect from the rich getting big tax breaks been workin' for ya so far?

Sonia, thank you for your well thought out response to my posting of the five truths. I'm happy to see that you that you do not dispute their truthfulness and wisdom.

Joe, your so-called "five truths" are pretty vague. Half the population does not depend on other to pay for them. You haven't mentioned what you would do with the handicaped, mentally ill, disabled veterans, do you want to put them all in jail or pretend they don't exist? As for the "legislating the wealthy out of prosperity" is a big joke, paying their fair share of taxes never hurt them before Bush put the tax cuts in place for his rich buddies. You do remember Clinton handed Bush a surplus and the rich WERE paying their fair share in taxes and the country was thriving. Your "truths" are twisted and a big joke......generalizing without detail....hmmmm reminds me of....wait, wait...oh yeah, Romney!

Sonia, sorry you find the five points "vague". They are really straight forward and simple.

Allow me to ask of you..

1. Please provide a case where "legislating the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity" resulted in a lasting successful outcome for all.

2. Please provide a case that proves wrong the statement "what one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving."

3. Please tell me how this is not true, "The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else."

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. Please tell me how you can multiply wealth by dividing it.

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation. Can you spell "Greece?"

Fair? Define what constitutes fair to you. Allow me to ask, are you paying your fair share?

Joe, avoiding "You haven't mentioned what you would do with the handicaped, mentally ill, disabled veterans, do you want to put them all in jail or pretend they don't exist? As for the "legislating the wealthy out of prosperity", please tell me how paying a little bit of taxes will lead them "out" of prosperity? You crack me up!

Sonia, Avoiding, by no means. There is nothing in the five truths that even remotely implies that we skirt our responsibility to look after those who truly need assistance. Are you going to address the questions I've ask you or should we bring this dialog to a close?

Not to put too fine an edge on this, but...

Are you insane?

The school was holding as many people as could be jammed in; it's a wonder the Fire Marshal wasn't in a panic!

Once you step outside the realm of the clinically insane, President Obama remains very, very popular. Compared to Romney and Ryan, he's clearly the better man for the job and the better man to lead the world.

Only people suffering from Conservative Derangement Disorder refuse to see this.

Understatement Atlant, don't waste your breath on the guy who hides behind a dumb name. Name goes with the level of maturity. Over 3800 showed up in Rochester. Jealousy is the key part of his conversations. Say dumb things, then you have to eat your words; I hate when that happens. http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120818/NEWS0605/120819652&source=RSS

As your link explains, any cost savings measures that are recommended by the IPAB will have to be approved by Congress.

Laughable! Did you ever hear of lobby checks from health insurance companies? Did you ever hear of health insurance companies denying people coverage even when they have health care insurance? Yes? That's a death pannel. Private insurance companies decide who lives and dies according to how many bonuses they want to give to management, and how much money they want to make for their share holders that day.

What is laughable Sonia is that you do not understand what the "IPAB" is or what it does. You do not understand the law. Why don't you do what you do best Phone Dialer.

Why thank you, I AM the best on the phone and have gained thousands of votes for the President which is how I helped him win in 2008; unfortunately for you, it will happen again. Simply explaining to you "death panel". Some politicians have to win re-election. If YOU understood that some politicians have very Republican states, they have to go to the middle and some are under pressure to do just that to win re-election. Is it a great thing to do, no; but the alternative of letting Mitt Romney win because of one topic is understandable even if I don't particularly like it. It's not a perfect system, but I realize that happens and for now, it's the system we have to work with.

What will IPAB do ?

Beginning with fiscal 2015, if Medicare is projected to grow too quickly, IPAB will make binding recommendations to reduce spending. Those recommendations will be sent to Capitol Hill at the beginning of the year, and if Congress doesn't like them, it must pass alternative cuts -- of the same size -- by August. A supermajority of the Senate (at least two-thirds of those present) can also vote to amend the IPAB recommendations. If Congress fails to act, the secretary of health and human services is required to implement the cuts.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2011/may/09/ipab-faq.aspx

What if Medicare's projected spending doesn't exceed the targets?

In that case, the board isn't required to make the recommendations.

And in fact, the Congressional Budget Office last year said that is likely to be the situation for almost a decade. CBO is expecting Medicare spending to remain below the threshold that requires action.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2011/may/09/ipab-faq.aspx

Of course I think we would be remiss to note, Romney/Ryan would put the cheapening of health care on Corporate CEO's to do. Would you want Mitt Romney deciding what health care you should get?

They certainly don't want to see their payments lowered.

So what you are saying Timothy is that no teacher, parent or role model helped you along the way to help build your business. Did you build the internet? Last I checked, most businesses use computers, calculators, etc...did you build that too? You obviously didn't hear the whole speech...just like corporations who pay zero taxes like GE, yet they use our tax payer money to move their products on our ta paid roads and use our tax paid firefighters and police. Here's the speech, open your ears very big. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=192oEC5TX_Q

Republicans and Sarah Palin sure know how to sell sound bites, and you are just one of the millions who fell for it.....should be "you didn't FALL for that!" instead of build that.....if people took the time to realize these GOP fools sell sound bites, paid for by the billions of Koch brothers and ALEC donations, you'd know better to fact check before you speak or actually listen to the speech.

They didn't mention the guy with the sign? Obviously you have exposed some type of media conspiracy. But wait, is that a link you provided to a "news article" where they mention your guy with the sign........
So what was your complaint?

Currently both Harry Reid AND Mitt Romney are making unsubstantiated claims about Romney's taxes, only its Mitt Romney who has a record about lying about them.