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Second Hand Shop Coming to Transfer Station

Town Council approves $5,000 for recycling committee to set up space for an independent third party to open shop.

 

A new second-hand shop is coming to Merrimack, and it may not be where you expect.

The Town Council on Thursday night authorized Town Manager Eileen Cabanel to spend up to $5,000 to prep new location for what has been the “swap shop” at the Merrimack Transfer Station and give it a whole new twist.

A recycling committee made up of Cabanel, Finance Director Paul Micali, Public Works Director Rick Seymour, Solid Waste Foreman Steve Doumas, Recycling Attendant Ian Robinson and Cabanel's Executive Secretary Rebecca Thompson, are hoping to pull a page from a success story in Bedford as a way to encourage recycling in town and make that area of the transfer station a bit safer.

Micali said the committee was formed to review the operations at the transfer station, with a closer look at the town's single stream recycling program and how to make it more effective.

As Micali explained to the Council, each ton of recycling removed from the town's trash tonnage is money saved for Merrimack.

The town recycles just under 1,500 tons of materials a year – up 50 percent from before they went single stream, and that makes the recycling facility very busy on weekends.

But the committee has noticed over the last several months that despite the easy recycling rules – everything that can be recycled goes into a single stream – there are still a lot of recyclables ending up in the trash.

Micali said that is in part, he believes, to the amount of time it take to get through the recycling house at the transfer station, especially on a Saturday morning.

Off to the side inside the recycling house, there is a “swap shop” that attracts people looking to find treasures left by others or to leave behind used items of their own.

The problems, Micali said the committee found there were few, but significant:

  • People stopping to browse the swap area are creating delays for people that want to get in and out of the recyclables area
  • The location is safe, but could be safer, as the swap is in an area heavily traveled by cars
  • People sometimes leave items that are not acceptable and stuff the town would charge for disposal
  • It can get messy, taking the time of the recycling attendants to clean the space up.

“It's a safe location but it's not as safe as it would be in its own building,” Micali said. Which is why the committee started taking a closer look at neighbor Bedford.

Bedford's “swap shop” is actually a low-priced second-hand store called Second Chance. It's inside a small building at the far end of the town's transfer station and the shop is manned all hours that it is open by an attendant who leases the space from the town.

“Nashua had a swap shop, they closed it,” Micali said. “Bedford has a 'swap shop,' it's run by an independent third party.”

This model has been very successful in Bedford for the last 15 years, Micali said.

In their proposal Thursday night, Micali and Cabanel told the Council the committee wants to take an empty portable classroom from the Highway Department and move it to the area of the transfer station between the computer/electronics area and the scrap metal. They would run electricity to the building and lease it to someone with consignment shop/second hand shop experience, who would run the shop.

This person would have the ability to accept or refuse any items he or she wanted and would be able to charge a nominal fee for people to take items from the shop. He or she would also be able to buy items from people to take into the shop as they see fit.

The lessee would be required to pay the monthly electricity bill and any upgrades they want to do, the town will pay for the building to be placed there and for the electricity hook up.

The lessee will also have to meet the town's insurance requirements and maintain hours that closely resemble those of the transfer station. It would cost approximately $5,000 to get started, but Micali said the return on investment would be seen in about two and a half years.

Micali said they chose the location not only for the safety of it being out of the way and for the fact that it shouldn't disrupt the traffic flow on the property, but an added benefit is the opportunity to put closed circuit cameras up on the scrap metal side to keep an eye out for “pickers” who rummage the scrap metal pile taking items from the pile that provide income at the transfer station.

The attendant would not take items that the town charges for for disposal, but could take items like furniture, books, CDs, DVDs and more.

The end result, Micali said is an easier experience at the recycling center, a safe place to rummage used items and hopefully even higher recycling tonnage – saving the town even more in trash disposal fees.

Town Councilor Jackie Flood was resistant to the idea, suggesting that the reason people use the “swap shop” is because it's free and she was worried that the attendant wouldn't staff it a much as it needed to be or wouldn't be responsive enough in making sure items that needed to be disposed of would make it to the right place.

“To me this is taking on quite a bit with very little return,” Flood said. She later added, “It's charming when you can drive up some place and drop off a book and pick up a new one … this isn't charming.”

Micali said prices would be minimal and that given a lease/tenant situation, if it was something that didn't work out in Merrimack, the town would be able to terminate the project at the end of the lease.

“We're in contract talks with someone who is interested in doing this and has experience in this area,” Micali said.

Council Vice Chairman Finlay Rothhaus said he would definitely like to see an easy out for the town if it wasn't working, but that he likes the idea.

“I've had people tell me they aren't going to recycle any more because it takes too long,” Rothhaus said, sharing in an observation Micali gave during the presentation. Despite the fact that all recyclables can be put together, making it easier than ever, the time it takes to get through that shed is slowed significantly by the “swap shop,” Micali said the committee observed.

Councilor Tom Koenig said he, too, liked the idea, but cautioned there might be a little “blow back” in the beginning when people learn they have to start paying for items there. Koenig suggested they be careful about calling this a “swap shop” since they are moving away from that idea.
Councilor Dan Dwyer said he thought the whole plan was great.

“I predict this thing to be a very big success, it will create a better recycling shed,” Dwyer said. “Great job, I think you took the ball with it and really ran.”

Related Topics: MERRIMACK TOWN COUNCIL, Recycling, Swap shop, and Transfer Station

john

7:03 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

I am a resident of Merrimack, i love using the swap area and i enjoy people leaving and taking items. With times being tough, I really see an issue of the town charging for residents to put unwanted home goods in the swap area. With his charge, I believe there will be more trash than swapping going on !!!

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MMK_townie

7:41 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

I agree with John! I'd love to know 'who' is already interested in using this site...would surely like that piece disclosed. It's fun to drive up and find what other think of as 'trash' and I think of as a 'treasure'! Candia has a FREE safe swap shop facility. We should look at their design. We are not Bedford and surely not Nashua since neither of the towns have toll booths!!!

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Nhapple

8:19 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

Once again, Merrimack residents are getting screwed over! One of the few things left that are free and they are taking that away from us!!

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Joe

12:20 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

If you want to pick-threw someone's trash do it where you won't be holding-up everyone else! Great Idea

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Carolyn Dube

9:38 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

It's not about charging people to put stuff into the shop, more so to TAKE items from the shop. I clarified that sentence in my story. For example, in Bedford, Micali said, the shop owner charges a dollar for a book or 50 cents for a CD. You wouldn't have to pay to drop off those items.

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MMK_townie

10:03 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

We understood your comments. Taking the FREE part of it regardless of incoming/outgoing is unacceptable. Just another TOLL in our town is all it is!!!!!!

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Carolyn Dube

10:26 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

OK, well i just wanted to clarify because John's comment said he was upset that the town would be charging to put unwanted items in the swap area.

Pat

10:09 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

This smacks of someone that is working an inside angle, as prior comments indicate. If the town council already has ''someone'' in mind to run this operation at a profit, then I view this situation as the Town Council acting as lobbyists to get this 'Swap Shop' (misnomer, since it is not a swap, but a profit generating business) and its owner/operator all set up on Town funds. The Town is not benefitting financially from this endeavor- the Town has an initial outlay to get this building set up and running. Why on earth would the Town invest in someone's initial start up costs, and place this business on Town property? This should be put before the public on a vote. It stinks of backroom politics and changes the nature of what was already happening- for free. If this 'interested party' wants a consignment business, then direct the party to any one of our vacant store fronts in town.

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MMK_townie

10:34 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

You are spot on Pat. If it doesn't smell right - it probably isn't. I love that they already funded this with $5,000 like it was a no brainer. Again Carolyn, if you can find out who this "vested party" is...you would make some of us very happy.

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NHLiveFree

11:54 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

This is so WRONG on so many levels... plus we Merrimack tax payers have the right to know who the individual "vested party" is. Who is it? I've been cleaning out my house & have so many joyous moment of dropping off items seeing others take them. It makes me feel good = Free is best.

Curly-lady

10:23 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

One thing - I think just having an attendant present for a couple of weeks to make browsers park on the side of the building or pull thru and park out in front would help end the bottleneck. Also, having the swap shop in a separate location as Hillsborough has would also help. As far as paying for items, that will end it. I drop off and pick up but if I have to pay for an item, I probably won't bother.

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Josh

12:20 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

Milford had a "still good shed" where you could drop off things that were still of use for someone, it was all free and a great way to help people less fortunate. I think they had to stop since it became a place for people to drop obsolete electronics and furniture that people didn't want to pay a fee to get rid of, we have the "free section" in the recycling section, why not try to organize that a little better and maybe have some sort of order to it rather than allow someone to set up shop on town land and make a profit while costing a taxpayer just a little more.

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John Harrahy

1:51 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

The town is going to let a private individual run a Goodwill shop on town property, and let him keep the profits? No way! There are plenty of charities' stores, collection bins run by charities that take this stuff now. The reason I drop stuff off is to let somebody else use it for nothing, not sell it to them. The town subsidizing a private business to compete with the Salvation Army has to be illegal. If traffic is the problem, move the existing swap shop to the other building and run it as it is now - let people take the stuff for nothing, don't let a guy sell it for a profit when he gets it for nothing. And I can guarantee that when the guy won't accept something he thinks he can't make enough money on, that thing will go right in the transfer station. So where's your recycling now? Somebody should have thought this through a little. From what I see, townspeople overwhelmingly like the free swap idea - this is like the PAYT idea where the Council attacked the transfer station in favor of PAYT only to have the people overwhelmingly reject it. Where is the data to support that 2 1/2 year payback? There were studies done to support PAYT, but when looked into, they were done by people who stood to benefit from PAYT, no unbiased data was available.

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Pat

4:41 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

well said John. This is a perfect example of how the government sometimes ''changes things'' in a way that is not what their constituents want, not what makes sense and NOT what we would support if given the opportunity to express our opinions by vote. They have taken a simple problem of the traffic bottleneck and turned it into the town supporting an individual in a business endeavor, on town property - that is not paying rent (therefore not paying property taxes in any amount or form on money earned through the donations of the public). Free rent, free inventory, captive audience/built in customer base (many will not know that they are supporting a ''for profit'' business if it is located within the town landfill confines, they will assume it is a reorganization of the current situation) and all this individual pays is the electric bill? How do we get town support or jobs like this? FULL DISCLOSURE is due, town council.

MMK_townie

2:26 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

Wow...sounds like the Town Council has a lot of support on this one...NOT!!! Who do we need to speak to about this insane idea?? I'm thinking I'll start with a letter to the Town Manager.

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Denise Greenleaf

3:49 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

I've been using this area of the dump for a long time, both to leave items and to take home a few fun little treasures because its free. Most of this stuff isn't worth much, or is leftover from someone's yard sale. I can't think of a single thing I would have paid money for. If the money were going to a Merrimack charity,such as the three local food pantries, I might reconsider, but I'm not donating it for some private individual to make a profit. This idea stinks!

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ms ski

7:37 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

I totally agree with all prior comments!! This is sooo wrong on sooo many levels! My items will not be going to that individual so they can make a profit!! At the very least a portion of the money should go back to the town or a local charity!

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Jack

8:24 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

What about the same people you see there on Saturday afternoon picking up items. In the summer and fall I drive by there many times on a Saturday and the same cars are parked on the side of building gettting fuller. What do you think they are doing with the "free" items good intentioned people leaving for the those who can't afford that used game for their kids....they are taking them to the flea market on Sunday and selling them. Stop the abuse of the area. Stop the slow down. The story says the leasee. That indicates money coming back to the town. My taxes are too high. Time for some money coming back to the town especially for trash.

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ms ski

8:55 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

If I'm not mistaken, the leasee does NOT pay the town ANYTHING! They only have to pay the electric bill. The leasee will probably not even have to pay for snowplowing!
I've picked up some great items for my grandchild. I'm sure you are correct that some do profit at yard sales or flee markets with there finds. I also agree that the town should profit financially with this endevor. This proposal needs some tweaking at the very least!

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Carolyn Dube

1:32 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Ms Ski, you are mistaken. The person is leasing the building from the town. That means the person pays the town rent, if you will, to have the space. The town is not subsidizing the person to be there, they are simply paying to place the building there so they have control over what is put in that space. I apologize if people did not understand that in the sentence in the story that says: "They would run electricity to the building and lease it to someone with consignment shop/second hand shop experience, who would run the shop." I didn't realize until I read your comment and Pat's from this morning, a few up, that people may not understand that fully.

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John Harrahy

3:09 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

This is not clear. In one place the article says the person would lease the shop from the town, but in another place, when it talks about the costs involved and who pays what, it says "The lessee would be required to pay the monthly electricity bill and any upgrades they want to do, the town will pay for the building to be placed there and for the electricity hook up."

The only monthly bill mentioned is electricity. No rent. Commonly, if someone were talking about monthly costs of a lease, he would mention rent first, then utilities. This doesn't mention rent, but it does mention utilities, which to me implies that there is no rent - just a monthly electric bill.

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Carolyn Dube

11:05 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Again, my apologies, John. I thought rent was inherent in the word lessee in that sentence. I will try to be clearer in the future.

MMK_townie

3:16 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

I agree John. Full disclosure is requested as to the 'who'. Sure hope it's not the woman that ran a consignment shop in town that has been arrested a few times...

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Herbert

8:28 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

I can't believe the town is trying to shut down one of the last free benifits to
tax payers.

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Gary G. Krupp

10:09 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

I am a transfer station regular and I think this idea has merit. I am not sure whether it will take off or not but I am willing to give the Town Council the benefit of the doubt here as it seems they are proceeding cautiously with mechanisms to back out of the deal if it doesn't work.

For me personally, I like the idea of moving the "Still good" area out of the recycling facility traffic flow. I think the current setup is non-optimal and creates too much of a bottleneck which in turn creates recycling disincentives. I also like to drop off and pick up from the still good area but like others have stated here, I am not convinced I am willing to pay for it.

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John Harrahy

4:21 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Gary, I'm also a regular RC/TS user, and I've never seen any of the "problems" cited as the reason for this move. Have you? The swap area doesn't cause the backups, it's the disposing of real recyclables, several trips back and forth per vehicle. I've never seen anybody blocking traffic while they browse. They all pull out and park out of the way. And the idea that "lots" of recyclables go into the TS, and that people are bypassing the RC and dumping their recyclables in the TS are both arguments that were advanced during the PAYT controversy, they were challenged then and nobody could produce any data to substantiate the allegations. Ever since then, I look for that every time I go there. I've never seen anyone leave the line at the RC to go straight to the TS, and I don't see any dumping of obvious recyclables at the TS.
Of the 4 arguments advanced, the idea that it will save the town money can't be supported with any data, safety is no issue (never been a safety issue with the swap area), the issue that some items the town charges to take (electronics and tires) are left in the swap area may have some merit, but again, I've never seen it, and I go to the swap area on every trip. So that leaves the 4th argument - it's a bother to the RC/TS people to have to dispose of the left over swap items that nobody takes. This is a valid concern, but it doesn't cost the town money, and is no reason to spend $5,000, to say nothing of depriving the townspeople of free stuff.

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Gary G. Krupp

8:00 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

John,
I would say that I have seen some of the problems outlined. I can't say that I can point to people bypassing the RC because of the backup but I can say that I personally dread pulling into the shed if it is busy because invariably some people will want a quick browse through the still good items. Others, as you note, have a good deal of recycling and must make several trips back and forth from their vehicle. If the shed is busy, I generally try to find one of the parking spots outside of the shed so that I can make a quicker stop.

I also think you are right when you say that there isn't real data that says the still good area is the cause of the bottle-neck or the lack of participation by some residents but I am not sure how one could practically collect that data. A trial move of the still good area seems like a good experiment to me. Try it out, see if the participation rates improve and if they don't, make another plan. I am still not convinced that the "consignment store" model for the items will work and frankly it might work against what the TC is trying to do. If purchasing items doesn't appeal to TS users, those items could end up in the waste stream negating gains in the recycling participation. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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